I have personally visited both these sites and the accompanied forums for discussion of scriptural matters yet more specifically prophetic events to take place! While both of these sites claim to welcome discussion regarding these subjects, they readily set parameters to prevent true analysis of key events portrayed in the prophetic scriptures. They will not allow any thread that identifies the United States as the fulfillment of Modern Babylon, they continue to cling to the fable of Rome or Iraq as being identified in these prophetic passages. They also do not wish to discuss the possibility of the Doctrine of Imminence being a fable. If they are uncomfortable with truly discussing scriptures they will begin to pack together like wolves and provoke individuals to respond to their accusations. These sites readily quote specific scholars whom they recognize as being knowledgable yet fail to understand that their opinions regarding the interpretation of scripture as it is presented is no greater than our own! I recommend that anyone seeking serious fellowship and study of the Word of God stay away from these particular sites as they are not designed for true discussion but to carry on the views and opinions only of the site administrators and their clones!